les factions de la RIRA

Des questions me turlupinent depuis quelques temps et j'ai énormément de mal à trouver des réponses...
1) Est-ce que la fracture entre les deux factions de la RIRA (Campbell Vs McKevitt) est nette? Peut-on dire qu'il s'agit de deux organisations distinctes?

2) Laquelle des deux factions est responsable des récentes déclarations et actions imputées à la RIRA?

3) Le terme d'Óglaigh na hÉireann est utilisé par un des groupes "dissidents", que sait-on de cette organisation? Il me semble que les médias mélangent allègrement les déclarations et actions revendiquées par le groupe qu'on ne connait que sous ce nom et qui est de naissance plus récente et une des deux factions de la RIRA (laquelle?) qui utilise ce nom...

Il y a encore des questions que je me pose mais elles sont un peu en vrac dans ma tete... elles reviendront sans doute aux fils de ce sujet...

1. Il s'agit de deux organisations distinctes. A l'automne 2002, un communique de McKevitt et RIRA a l'interieur de Portlaoise annonce un cessez le feu. Cette action est condamnee comme unilaterale et non valide par RIRA a l'exterieur. A partir de ce moment on parle de deux organisations distinctes:
i. RIRA-32csm-IRPWA (que tu referes comme Campbell) ne reconnait pas cessez le feu
ii. RIRA- New Republican Forum - Cogus (McKevitt) pro cessez le feu.
New Republican Forum publiait un excellent magazine mensuel mais qui a disparu d'internet etc. (www.nwrepublicanforum.ie) par contre Cogus a encore ce site
http://www.michaelmckevitt.com/
NRF ne semble plus exister car ceux qui faisaient le gros du boulot on eu une dispute personelle avec McKevitt et ont ete expulses.
A present a Portaloise dans l'aile E3 il y a 15 prisoniers condamnes alignes au premier groupe et dans l'aile E4 10 prisoniers alignes au second groupe.

2. Le premier groupe. (le second etant contre lutte armee)
D'ailleurs regarde http://32csm.info

3. Cette organisation est tres recente et semble faite d'ex Provos. J'avais poste il y a quelques semaines un lien vers un article du Irish News sur cette organisation qui n'a aucune platforme politique et en refuse explicitement une.

Merci

J'ai cru lire quelque part qu'après Omagh, McKevitt avait voulu refonder un groupe - Oglaigh Na hEireann - en y intégrant des membres de "CIRA", de la RIRA et de l'INLA. D'après le témoignage de David Rupert qui avait été impliqué par McKevitt dans cette tentative.
Apparemment, c'est resté lettre morte puisque le groupe Oglaigh na hEireann actuel n'a rien à voir avec celui pensé par McKevitt.

Quid des armes de RIRA-McKevitt? Sont-elles passés dans la RIRA actuellement au combat? L'appel au cessez-le-feu de McKevitt a-t-il été largement suivi?

Quant à l'article sur the irish news, il faut hélas payer pour pouvoir le lire, c'est la raison pour laquelle je n'ai pu le faire.

"J'ai cru lire quelque part qu'après Omagh, McKevitt avait voulu refonder un groupe - Oglaigh Na hEireann - en y intégrant des membres de "CIRA", de la RIRA et de l'INLA. D'après le témoignage de David Rupert qui avait été impliqué par McKevitt dans cette tentative.


precision, Oglaigh Na hEireann n'est pas le nom d' "un " groupe mais l'appellation legale de l'armee legitime d'irlande. Ce nom est revendique autant par l'armee irlandaise, que les Provos (qui significativement n'ont pas eu de communique a Paques cette annee) RIRA etc.
Effectivement i y a eu des tentaties en 1999 de refonder l'IRA mais ca n'a pas fonctione a cause de divergences organisationelles et politiques incommensurables.

Voila l'article

Dissidents: ‘We have recruited ex-Provos’
EXCLUSIVE
By Allison Morris
IRISH NEWS 16/02/09
THE dissident republican group blamed for a 300lb car bomb abandoned in Co Down earlier this month has claimed it is made up principally of former members of the Provisional IRA.

Police warned that the Castlewellan bomb, which Oglaigh na hEireann (ONH) said was destined for Ballykinler British army base, could have claimed lives and was similar in structure to the Omagh bomb.

In an interview with The Irish News the paramilitary organisation set out its strategy for the first time, claiming:

- to have recruited former Provisional IRA explosive experts

- that paramilitary-style assaults have made them popular in republican areas

- it will not have a political wing

- it will not attack loyalists or commercial targets

- that it planned to drive the 300lb through the front gate of Ballykinler army base

"The facts are that these groups lack any coherent strategy or tactics at furthering republican politics or any kind of republican agenda," Sinn Fein policing board member Alex Maskey said.

SDLP assembly member Alban Maginness said last night to dismiss the risk to peace posed by the group would be "dangerous".

"There is a duty to ensure that the restored institutions work so this type of threat has no room in which to gain momentum," he said.

Michael Gallagher whose son Aidan was killed in the Omagh bomb, said yesterday: "The tide of public opinion has turned against terrorism and terrorist acts, better to use politics to achieve aims than shooting and bombing."

A spokesman for ONH said: "Had we got that bomb into Ballykinler then we would have been looking at large scale destruction and

military casualties and that was our intention.

"There was a last-minute problem with the plan and the operation had to be abandoned."

ONH has been mentioned by the Independent Monitoring Commission reports into paramilitary

violence.

However, little has been known about their size, structure and capability until now.

"As far as numbers go I’m not going to say we have hundreds of volunteers because we don’t. We have turned away more people than we have recruited," the ONH spokesman said.

Carrying out paramilitary-style shootings had encouraged members of the republican community to provide previously unavailable support and safe houses, the spokesman claimed.

"I admit it’s crude but it’s effective and regardless of what the security forces, Sinn Fein or the media might say it’s a policy that has public support," he said.

"The problem most other groups faced was they didn’t have the support framework needed to be effective."
‘Explosives experts recruited into ranks’
EXCLUSIVE
By Allison Morris
16/02/09

THE dissident republican group calling itself Oglaigh na hEireann (ONH), which claimed responsibility for a massive car bomb destined for Ballykinler earlier this month, has claimed to have recruited explosives experts into its ranks.

Speaking to the media for the first time, the organisation’s leadership say they had a plan in place to drive the 300lb bomb straight into the Co Down army base but a last minute change of circumstances led them to abandon the device on the outskirts of Castlewellan.

The fertiliser-style car bomb, which Chief Constable Sir Hugh Orde said was similar in structure to the Omagh bomb, had been abandoned on a rural road close to the Co Down village and caused a five-day security alert before it was made safe by British army technical experts.

"Had we got that bomb into Ballykinler then we would have been looking at large scale destruction and military casualties and that was our intention," the ONH spokesman said.

"There was a last-minute problem with the plan and the operation had to be abandoned.

"The bomb was driven to a rural place to reduce any risk to civilians and a warning phoned."

During a monthly meeting of the policing board Sir Hugh said a major investigation had been launched to track down the bombers.

"We will pursue every forensic strand we can to try to bring these people to justice," he said.

ONH has been mentioned by the Independent Monitoring Commission in the last four reports into paramilitary violence.

However, little has been known about their size, structure and capability until now.

Speaking to The Irish News the leadership of Oglaigh na hEireann said they formed almost three years ago but have until the past year been mainly organising, training and gathering intelligence.

"We’ve stood back and watched while other groups have claimed responsibility for our operations," a spokesman said.

"That’s a matter for them, we had no need to state publicly what we were about until we were able to demonstrate what we were about.

"For instance the fertiliser bomb mix has been one that all so-called dissident republican groups have been unable to get right over recent years which is why it hasn’t been used to any effect.

"But as Hugh Orde said this bomb was very much viable and so that speaks for itself as to our bomb-making expertise.

"Most groups simply tried doing what the IRA were doing years ago and that wasn’t working.

"We have sat back and over two years have tried and tested until we have perfected our bomb-making ability.

"We have experts in our ranks and that will become apparent in the future.

"As far as numbers go I’m not going to say we have hundreds of volunteers because we don’t, we have turned away more people than we have recruited.

"It’s not about making up numbers, the people we do have come from a number of organisations but they are experienced and committed and we are not compromised in the way other groups have been.

"We have former INLA, and some ex-Real IRA members but most of us come from the ranks of the Provisional IRA.

"Every time Hugh Orde speaks these days he mentions Oglaigh na hEireann, there is good reason for that, he knows we are a very real threat and he is right to be concerned."

The group recently claimed responsibility for 15 punishment-style shootings as well as a number of beatings.

ONH claims this upsurge is in direct response to demands from the public and has helped secure them popular support in nationalist areas such as west Belfast.

"Look, we know that punishment shootings aren’t going to solve the anti-social problem long term," the spokesman said.

"I admit it’s crude but it’s effective and regardless of what the security forces, Sinn Fein or the media might say it’s a policy that has public support.

"The problem most other groups faced was they didn’t have the support framework needed to be effective.

"Because we [are taking action] we are going to people now and asking can we use their house and it’s opening doors to us, literally.

"I’m not going to say we have this, that and the other but the fact we are making viable 300lb bombs and have carried out 15 punishment shootings shows we have weapons without us having to shout about it.

"Like most groups we have a mix of stuff, some old and some new."

The organisation’s leaders also distanced themselves from speculation that they were a cover for the Real IRA or the armed wing of any political group.

"We have former Reals as members yes but that’s the only link we have with them. We also have no connection to the Strabane group who had used the ONH name in the past.

"We have no political wing because we feel that strategy failed republicans in the past.

"Politics and military cannot operate side by side in that way, the ballot box and the armalite policy was a failure.

"We are watching with interest the current sea-change in political opinion and the renewed debate by republicans who feel we have been sold a pup.

"Of course any political developments will be taken on board and we will adapt as and when we feel it is appropriate."

With loyalist paramilitary groups engaged in last ditch negotiations over arms, the dissident threat is one that has been used by loyalist leaders in the past as a reason to defer decommissioning.

"As far as loyalists are concerned we are not interested, they are not our targets.

"We could take out 10 members of the UDA for every member of the security forces we are targeting.

"They are easy hits but the truth is we have no intention of engaging in a sectarian war with the Protestant people.

"If in the future, however, if loyalists were to change tack and target our community we will not be found wanting.

"We will also not be leaving bombs in town centres, Irish republicanism couldn’t take another Omagh, nor would anyone want to revisit that period in history.

"As far as we are concerned our targets are those in the security forces.

"Oglaigh na hEireann will be judged by our actions not our words."

Merci beaucoup. C'est un article très intéressant.

Ce que je voulais dire, c'est qu'il n'y a qu'un (en fait, deux avec un petit groupe actif à Strabane qui a l'air d'etre désormais inactif) groupe a n'etre connu que par les initiales ONH.
Apparemment, il aurait émergé d'une scission au sein de la "CIRA". Par contre, j'ignore les raisons de cette scission (tout comme ce qui concerne la scission de SNH, qui a l'air, lui aussi, inactif)... En sais-tu plus?

Non, les quelques individus a Strabane sont issus de RIRA
ILs sont colloquialement connus sous le nom de Really Reals (les veritables veritables) Ils n'existent ni pour des raisons constitutionelles, ideologiques ou politiques (la preuve ils n'ont aucune platforme politique) mais personelles. Ils sont un genre de gang. C'est la meme chose pour d'autres style IRLA, SNH, et les 57 autres varietes. Pour etre une organisation serieuse il faut:
1. donner des raisons constitutionelles pour exister
2. avoir une platforme politique distincte.
Je te recommande la lecture d'un de mes articles sur le sujet:


http://thepensivequill.am/2009/05/defining-dissidents.html

Si t'y vois plus clair que moi, n'hésite pas à faire un topo précis sur les différents groupes républicains et leurs zones d'actions (vu qu'ils sont fractionnés surtout géographiquement.)
Parce qu'entre la "CIRA", la faction de la "RIRA" menée par MCGrane, ONH menée par Campbell et les "really real" et ceux que j'oublie, j'arrive jamais à tenir une idée claire de la situation militaire de l'IRA plus de 5 minutes...